Why Do Noobs Hate Sony, Love Microsoft?
Why do people despise Sony so much? I'm getting tired of all this Sony bashing [digg.com]. Sure they stumble from time to time (here, here and here [eurogamer.net]), but doesn't anyone remember the bumbling Nintendo [wikipedia.org] of the late 1990s?
Let me preface anything futher by stating I am platform agnostic. I like games, and if it takes all three platforms in order to play all of the best games then so be it. I say this because I'm about to tell you some things you won't read anywhere- except perhaps buried in the depths of a flame war. My only goal is to dispel some of the smoke and mirrors behind this 2007 console race that has led to uncontrolable Sony and Microsoft bashing.
People clearly swarmed to the Microsoft Xbox 360 camp over the Christmas shopping season, unable to secure a PS3 or Wii. It's easy to see why! They definately offer a superior online platform, and Xbox Live Arcade has me giddy with the possibilities for both young gamers and independant developers alike. But this is pretty much where my enthusiasm for the 360 ends. It's just so darn expensive!
I'll let that sink in... ... ... Yeah, I said it- and I challenge any of you to disprove me.
Here's the math (Prices in Canadian Dollars):
| PS3 | Xbox360 | ||||
| 699.99 | Premium System | Premium System | 499.99 | ||
| INCL | Blu-Ray Drive | *HD-DVD add-on | 199.99 | *(Required for price comparison) | |
| INCL | 60GB HDD | 20GB HDD | INCL | *(60 vs 20GB, XBox 360 is removable) | |
| 59.99 | 1 extra controller | 1 extra controller | 54.99 | ||
| 9.99 | Memory Card (64MB) | Memory Card (64MB) | 49.99 | *(HDD Removable, but not practical for sharing, Sony uses ubiquitous flash) | |
| INCL | WAN Adapter | WAN Adapter | 129.99 | *(Required for price comparison) | |
| FREE | 2 years Sony Online | 2 years XboxLive Gold | 119.98 | *(59.99 * 2 Gold Subscription) | |
| 49.95 | 5 PlayStation Network Games | 5 XboxLive Arcade Games | 49.95 | *(avg full price Sony & MS: 9.99) | |
| 69.99 | 1 Retail Game | 1 Retail Game | FREE | *(Ghost Recon pack-in) | |
| $879.92 | GRAND TOTAL | GRAND TOTAL | $1104.88 | *(WTF!?!!) |
Now look at that. Sony costs $879.92 after two years of ownership, while an equivalently featured Xbox 360 package costs $1104.88 after two years of ownership! How the hell did that happen?
Now before you start flaming me, let me say that I've heard it all. So let me save your breath (and my olfactories!), by addressing some of them.
HD-DVD WTF?: You can't compare price points without having an equal feature set. Feature for feature pound for pound, Sony delivers the best value (albiet at a loss to the company, but so is Microsoft!).
I don't even want HD-DVD!Try forgetting HD-DVD altogether and you still see the PS3 is all-around cheaper. What does that comment mean anyway? Does it mean you need the latest video game console, but not the latest HD optical format? DVD is good enough on your 3500$ 1080P LCD? Riiight. I'll bet you're just holding out for Blu-Ray...
Wireless online is ass YOU NEWB!: Boom HEADSHOT!. I play lag free over wireless almost daily. Pick that Pringles can off the floor in front of your couch, and make a directional antena you slob. You know what's really ass? Blue CAT 5 all over my shitty carpet to connect my bazillion consoles.
But Xbox Live is Free! / Sony will charge eventually they are teh GREED$: No. Who really thinks the average gamer is NOT going to buy an Xbox Live Gold subscription? Sony puts this cost on the back of game publishers, and the result of this pure-capitalism is stunning: superior network support by Insomniac Games in Resistance: Fall of Man, and a rosy outlook on future network code performance from the team. X-Fire will be subsidized to publishers for a small fee to provide (close to) the same match-making and profile support of Xbox Live. Let's not forget about the publishers who already run servers at no additional charge for customers (Basically all non-MMORPG releases, can any Microsoft fan-boys name others?).
PS3 games are more expensive: Are you serious? Does this really matter to you if you can afford a PS3 or Xbox 360? Yes, Sony games retail higher- but most AA titles cost 10 million minimum, cradle-to-grave. I'm not that concerned about giving the big three and all their publishers my money. I've always paid 70$ for games, right since the days of the NES EEPROM.
Waaaaaa! DRM broke my pirated content: Oh please. DRM is evil, but DVD is just weaker DRM. Get a crack morans.
Xbox Live has better arcade features and independent developer support: Oh so Microsoft is suddenly the philanthropist helping independent developers to release their DirectX creations. I don't know what people who think this are smoking, but they should probably get some better stuff from Sony: ie: Fool-proof Linux support. Out-of-the-box drive expansion. My future Myth [wikipedia.org] set-top-b..erm I mean my PS3 just might be what streams my entertainment in 2007. Did I hear something about IPTV [engadget.com] from Redmond the other day?
So there you have it. I have to hand it to Microsoft. Noobs love them. They trust the name; They use Microsoft at work. "It just works" (most of the time), looks cool and has all the best games. It almost does 1080p (but who can really tell?). But Microsoft has produced a console that can match, and in many ways exceed PS3 performance for a similar price-point. With the added-bonus of Xbox Live services (Paid), the Xbox 360 is a sexy gaming platform.
The PS3 however is clearly a force to be reckoned with in this generation. People trust Sony (sort-of); They use Sony at home. "It just works" ('till the drive burns out), looks monolithic (again) and has all the best games. It almost does 1080p (but who actually has one?). It does play movies in 1080p. (isn't that what you bought that 4500$ LCD [futureshop.ca] for?).
Despite Microsoft's head-start, Sony has released a machine that is next-gen in every way, meanwhile keeping an open stance on value-added services that I feel will benefit them in the long run. This is not the popular opinion but I believe the online gaming market is nowhere near maturation. Why not let your deep-pocketed competitors do some of the grassroots work for you?
The Linux option is so intriguing, and brings promise of great things from the PlayStation 3 platform. It is almost as if it's a realization of all the promise of the Net Yaroze [wikipedia.org] program. Sony is an equal and in many ways stronger product than Microsoft at a lower (remember?) price-point with the built in capability to run the gamut of LAMP [wikipedia.org] configurations.
So why all the haters?
Peace Fan-Boys, I love the PS3, but the Xbox 360 is without a doubt a worthy opponent in my humble opinion. Don't bother accusing me of being a 'Sony apologist'. I genuinely believe the battle for 2nd and 3rd place in the current console war should be extremely interesting.
Yeah you heard me. Sony and Microsoft wish they could sell as much hardware and software (where the real money is) as Nintendo will, in the years to come.
Inaccuracte Price Comparison
Ok so yes if you bought every bell and whistle it would cost more overall. But all you're doing is proving the point that all the unwanted extras in the PS3 could have been separated and then people could be paying less for a PS3.
*HD-DVD add-on 199.99 *(Required for price comparison)
Required for price comparison?? What if we don't want that! I don't rent movies, I don't buy movies, I don't want that!
TWO years xbox live? Why the hell are you putting in 2 off the bat? Oh well it doesn't really matter because if you had the privilege of xbox live you'd be more than happy to help fund it. It costs less than going to McDonalds once a month.
Why are you saying the average xbox live arcade game is $10? Almost every game I've gotten is about $6 or $7.50. And that's only if you buy them. You can trial every game for as long as you want you just have certain restrictions, which in some games don't even matter.
Why are you even including memory cards? I've never personally known anyone to buy one, ever, for anything since the PS2. Not even XBox1!
So who actually owns *all* this extra shit for their 360? We don't want it all so we don't buy it all! Sorry that you got screwed into paying for it all with your PS3.. but you can't justify it by saying that we all have to buy the extras. For about the same price as a PS3 you can get a 360 WITH WHAT YOU WANT, you get better games, better online experience, even better graphics in most cases. The experience of the 360 trumps that of the PS3 which I find is broken and incomplete. If Sony wanted to win your hearts they would have given you real options and they would have started competing a year ago (they've have much time to study Xbox Live and the Xbox 360 interface and all it's features, I don't care what you say). They just want to get into your living room, not into your heart.
Oh, and btw, 60gb is great but you're going to use it all up 'installing' games. I'll never have to worry about that crap because my 360 can read data fast enough to play the game.
http://www.epcgaming.net/ps3_vs_xbox360
RE: Innacurrate Price Comparison
Its simple....this is ROI (return on investment) calculation.
Each feature must be equivelent. But if I can take a moment to respond to your points (thanks for posting and welcome!):
HD-DVD add-on 199: Why is this necessary? It's not..unless you want to compare price points (See ROI). So let me get this straight... You want to game in HD, but not watch movies in HD? Ok. You might have a point if you owned a standalone player...in which case, good on you- You can probably afford all three. I addressed this clearly in my article. Take away the HD-DVD and the Xbox360 is still more expensive.
TWO years xbox live? Why the hell are you putting in 2 off the bat? Because the value of the systems is calculated over two years. Sony offers a competing product for free. I am not debating which is superior. It is however a cost a serious gamer will incur.
Why are you saying the average xbox live arcade game is $10? It's called an average. Since I haven't bought any, I researched this heavily. This was the industry average.
Why are you even including memory cards? I've never personally known anyone to buy one Fair enough. Take the cost away, and the HD-DVD away and the 360 is still more expensive after two years for the average gamer. If I may ask though, are all your saves available online? I use my memory cards to bring saves over to friends place, and could also bring other content to my console without supporting closed standards -> ie xbox->windows. This is clearly a plus for the consumer, and obviously its microsoft who's ripping you off in this category. Not Sony
Also, I didn't get screwed by my PS3- I don't have one....yet.
Graphically the Xbox360 may or may not be superior. I say that as an engineer that actually understands how the various hardwares work, and which advantages they have. I remember 5 years ago, people thinking God of War wasn't possible on ps2.
You don't have to buy bulk with the 360? Ok mr Proprietary HDD!
"(Sony) just want to get into your living room, not into your heart."
Honestly, coming from an Xbox fanboy thats the funniest line I've read all day on the interwabs. You rock, man I hope you visit more often :)
HD-DVD isn't necessary to a
HD-DVD isn't necessary to a lot of us. Why? Because unlike the PS3, the 360 upscales DVD. It also has in-built rentals (not yet to us in Canada, however). End of the year we'll have streaming IPTV. If we all had 1080p TVs then maybe I would consider it, but I didn't buy the system to watch movies. It's nice that it doubles as that, it's even nicer that it's not messing with it's gaming core to provide you with that.
Xbox live - 'It is however a cost a serious gamer will incur.'
A 'serious gamer' will pay for anything regardless of cost. They would brought in by services like Xbox live over PSN because of the fact that they are a 'serious' gamer. Many people that I play online have multiple subscriptions to Live. Why? I'm not exactly sure, maybe for friends, but you can sign friends in as guests without paying for extra accounts.
'If I may ask though, are all your saves available online?' - I'd never even thought about doing that myself, but just FYI you can get adapters that allow you do backup and share items on your HDD. No, they're not official. They're also doesn't seem to be a demand for this in the first place.
'and could also bring other content to my console without supporting closed standards'. Betamax, MiniDisk, MemoryStick(R), UMD, and now Blu-Ray. Who's using the closed standards? You're associating the Xbox brand too closly with Windows. Which system has more open websites and blogs to connect with the consumer? The Xbox divison along with other divisons such as Windows Messenger, are spending money just to find out what we, the consumer, want. They're looking at their competition closely. Sony had years to look at Xbox Live and many other aspects of the Xbox Community, but they don't have gaming and gamers in their crosshairs right now. You see Microsoft and think 'monopoly'. I see Sony and think the same thing. Sony keeps pushing formats and keeps putting restriction on their use. They want to control. You can say that about Microsoft all you want, I really don't care, but Xbox != Windows, and at least they're listening to us.
BTW proprietary hard drive = security. I can't wait till the PSN is flooded with hackers and cheaters. But you never thought of that did you.
I accept your explaination
I accept your explaination regarding upscaling. But seriously now your upscaling 480 lines to more than double if you're talking 1080i. There's going to be some serious artifacting. Still you have a valid point!
It's serious gamers who are so up in arms over the price! These are the ones, screaming on the internets how Sony is so evil because of their draconian pricing scheme. If they evaluated their own wallets I'm sure they'd find the see the sticker shock.
Blu-ray is no more or less a open standard than DVD or HD-DVD. Any other position otherwise is propaganda. PS3 supports all memory formats except for HD-DVD, so I think you are equating Sony with the evil empire as much as I'm equating Microsoft with windows: only THEIR IPTV solution, WEB SOLUTIOn, and Windows PC integration solution: all proprietary. Name one feature of the PS3 that is proprietary: other than the CELL you can't. And well Microsoft can't exactly claim that either about their machine. However I put Linux on my ps3, boot off a USB key and hack my ps3 if I want to, and Sony doesn't seem to care much. These open standards will lead to a lot of set-top innovation- mark my words. Innovation you do not see on a Microsoft platform.
I have to hand it to microsoft: they want your business badly! They DO listen to gamers. If J. Allard wasn't such a douche selling the admittedly great product the 360, maybe they'd have a better chance of cleaning Sony's clock this generation.
You're a fool however, if you think Microsoft offers you any form of security in the form of the proprietary harddrive. Just because its more difficult to "hack" (which it isn't for someone who is comfortable modding their PC), doesn't mean people wont. It also doesn't mean that Xbox Live will be short of cheaters. (It never was). I for one welcome the innovation the homebrew community brings us. So yeah I did ponder that too :)
Cheers!
Upscaled DVD looks very very
Upscaled DVD looks very very good, I would have never thought it but I am simply in awe at the difference between my standalones (JVC and Toshiba progressive scan units) and the 360. Also, considering that almost every single LCD or Plasma at stores such as futureshop and bestbuy are only 1080i sets (with support for 720p and 480i/p), there is no need for blu-ray or hddvd to the masses. Only people specifically looking for such quality (who have gone out and gotten 1080p tvs) will benefit greatly. And those people probably don't care about the cost difference in these 2 gaming systems.
So.. when was the last time porn was blocked from being sold on a certain type of disc? I mean it's not that I care that porn won't be available on Blu-Ray, it's that Sony is already showing off their lust for control. It isn't right to limit what can be stored on a media format. It's all ones and zeros (more technically, reflective and non-reflective pits), there should be no law saying you cannot store them in a certain order, unless that order is copying the order of someone elses disc (ie pirating a movie).
As for security and hackers online.. it's better to have something in place being monitored than nothing at all. Yes, there will always be hackers. Are you saying it's better not to even try and stop them? I have yet to find anyone hacking on XBL like I have on the PC. At least the HDD security stops most of them. I am into modding and homebrew btw, I do know more about the security stuff than you think. I used to run backup-source.com back in the days of the PS2 and XBox1. It even got on TechTV. I ended up selling that site and the new owner didn't do it justice. Anyway, I do know about this stuff, although I am not into it as much as I used to be. Microsoft is doing a great job at preventing hackers. They have the ability to ban consoles from their services, not just accounts. They can detect much more than you think.
Now this just brings me to even more benefits of paying for XBL. You are paying, so you are discouraged from being a dick. You have something to lose (your account). You have a unique ID with feedback from other players. I don't want to play in an area where everyone can be a dick without anything to lose. I don't play PC games online anymore solely because of this.
Much respect for your
Much respect for your background! For the record I never assumed that you knew nothing (or little) of the scene. Its my policy to talk down to Douches and Anonymous Turds only. If you had something worth saying you'd sign your name to it! (Which you did). Please sign up for a user account.
Also would you be interested in writing for this site? I'm looking for writers to flesh out some of my obviously jaded opinions! Consider this an open invite we can discuss over MSN: zerom ous @ ho tm ai l . com.
Sony also has this ability. In fact much noise has been made about it. Its pretty normal, nintendo also has this capability.
Sorry but I've played on Xbox live. Everyone is a dick. Just the same on PS2/3
As for porn, I'm as apalled as you are....but I haven't paid for porn in almost 20 years!
Sony offer a superior gaming
FYI the PS3 60gb is $699,
FYI the PS3 60gb is $699, not $659 at futureshop and best buy, probably everywhere else too
also the 20gb model can't read your memory cards so there goes your savegame transferring stuff. And your wireless.
Ryan, I looked into the
Ryan, I looked into the price. I knew I researched everything closely, so I wondered how I could have made this mistake.
At the time I wrote this article Future Shop and BB were selling the Sony PS3 for 659.99.
This has since changed http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2007/01/27/ps3-price-i-increase-i-in-canada/
Wow sony fanboy porn
When it comes to video game systems I can tell you, I am no noob, Ive probably been playing video games since before you were born. I have owned NES,SNES,Saturn,Dreamcast,N64,PS2,Xbox,GameCube,Xbox 360,Wii, Eventually a PS3 when they have something worth buying on there.... so pretty much some time in 2008.
My dear god this is the most retarted rant i have ever heard from a sony fanboy. I dont even know where to start.
WiFi.... woop de do.... I run a cat 5 cable to my box it doesnt bother me worth shit.
Free online.... You get what you pay for. And dont expect it to stay free forever.
oh and XBL Gold = 3.33 bucks a freking month not a huge investment.
Blu-Ray vs HD DVD vs DVD ... I dont want either, not yet i want one to win and then ill buy one, I like M$ stance, they dont force it down your throat. Also the BD Rom drive in the PS3 is a 2x drive.... have fun with longer load times. The 360’s DVD drive pulls information off of a 12X DVD disc twice as fast as the PS3’s 2X Blu-Ray does off of a Blu-Ray disc. The 360’s 12x DVD drive has a speed of 16.5 megabytes per second compared to the PS3’s 2X Blu-ray drive which has a speed of 8.7 megabytes per second.
Memory Card.... I havent bought a memory card since ps2 and gamecube... theres no need for one.
XBLA > any POS sony has on their store.... and hell M$ is opening it up to smaller developers, expect to see great things
You forgot to mention the part where you can download HD movies to your 360
And with as much as you claim the 360s head start is nothing you are sadly mistaken, never underestimate a head start.
Exclusive titles... wow if I had 20 bucks for every exclusives sony has lost I could buy their overpriced pile of shit(granted i will eventually buy one).
when developers like Gabe Newel (Half Life 2) say sony should just pull out now before they sink like the brick they are, you know that doesnt bode well for them.
Read this
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1
Granted you probably cant comprehend much of it
Wow you are so old?
Wow you are so old?
I still have my working pong and sears telegame systems. I think I was writing about video games when the NES came out. I started my own magazine when Super Nintendo came out. I actually sold copies out of the local video store I worked at.
Go back to school man, your rants are incomprehesible for sure.
Comprehension obviously isn't your forte, I set out to do an apples to apples comparison. I plan to buy both, and I think both are great products. Also as a Wii owner, I haven't been this excited about videogames since the 8-bit generation (SMS vs NES)
FYI the PS3 60gb is $699,
By the way, you seem to have
By the way, you seem to have taken offense to the term noob...
I wasn't calling Xbox360 owners noobs....I was saying NOOBS prefer the 360 over Sony, and I wondered why.....perhaps it was the price point?
Anyway work on those comprehension skills and come back now ya-hear? :P
XBLA is NOT truly open to Indie Developers
Microsoft has made a lot of noise about how XBLA is the new 'indie developer heaven' via the XNA PR campaign - but that's all it is - a PR campaign.
Indie developers can no more get titles onto XBLA than they can released as a 'real' 360 title. This isn't something that MS will tell you up-front, but you must have a traditional publisher on board before you can get your title approved for XBLA. Bottom line, period, end of story.
XNA is a waste of time, no serious developer looking to create 360 titles will go near it with a 10 foot pole. Anyone claiming otherwise works for microsoft.
You should consider torque
You should consider torque and torque 2d.
Both of these apis are supported and in use right now on XBox Live.
I have a Torque 2D license, and it took me 1 weekend to get acqainted and build a basic transform bounding-boxes / colision detection (think Street Fighter II).
Xbox has great indie support. It just so happens that Sony has matched it! (Anyone know if Torque is running on Sony Hardware?)
I must've missed the point
I must've missed the point of your post. There's no reason you can't become a publisher or even published!
The market is a changing...
The method employed is based
great post thanks for the
Another price comparison
Here's another take. The core systems vs each other, over 2 years with 2 years online play.
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PS3 core system:
20gb Console: $549.99
1 extra controller: $59.99
1 extra charge cable $8.99 (if you want to be able to use both controllers if they both run out of power at the same time)
since this spans over 2 years and rechargeable batteries only last about a year before they stop holding a charge:
2 replacement controllers: $119.98
2 years online: $0
TOTAL $738.95
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360 Core System
Core Console: $399
20gb Hard Drive: $129.99
1 extra controller: $54.99
1 40-pack of AA's: $30 (or $29.99 for play & charge kit instead)
2 years xbox live: $119.98
$734.94
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Summary:
The 360 is now cheaper, and has 2 years Xbox Live Gold, a retail game, and an arcade game. However it does not play HDDVD.
The PS3 System cannot be upgraded to use wifi without using 3rd party wireless adapter (which would take up a power plug, extra physical space, and require a wire between it and your PS3).
PS3 controllers will need to be completely replaced over the years (non-removable first party battery), which adds more to cost in the long-run.
So what do you think? For almost the same price over two years, you can either have a better online experience, or you can have the addition of a high def movie player. If you want to get really technical we can add in hddvd to the 360 costs, but then you need to add the cost of a standalone upscaling dvd player because the 360 does that, and the PS3 does not. You also should add in the cost of a media center extender since the 360 is also one of those too..
BTW, you forgot to factor in some things in your original chart. You need to add component cables for the PS3, since these come standard with the 360. You also need to add a headset and ethernet cable. And not only does the 360 come with a retail game, it also comes with an Arcade game.
I used outdated tags (b and
I used outdated tags (b and i) in my post above and when replacing them (search&replace) I didn't fix the closing tags, so I've totally messed up the formatting of all comments below. Apologies. Please edit if you can.
this might fix it
this might fix it
totally fixed dude!
totally fixed dude!
thx. only prob is that the
thx. only prob is that the ethernet is bold now which looks kinda retarded. Meant to have the component cable and headset bold as well.
one more try at fixing this
one more try at fixing this
Still pretty comparable eh?
Still pretty comparable eh? That's my point! Sony is not better but cheaper depending on how you look at. At the very least its comparable!
Also, you may want to look into the upscaling. The ps3 does to upscaling, but it is a firmware issue and one between Sony's toolkit and their Devs. Honestly I don't know what Sony is thinking here, but a wave of their magic wand definately makes this all go away.
As a former Xbox live subscriber, and heavy Metal Gear Online and 2K7 player I can assure you that Xbox live subscription fees buy you little more than a cross-game gamer tag. You're also paying for them to collect marketing data about YOU. How's that a good deal? I find it doubly as funny that 2ksports is hooked into XboxLive, but when their shitty matching service is down on Xbox it's also down on PS2!!! This is a major inconvenience for my participation in (TAHL(which runs both xbox360 and PS2 hockey leagues). For all that money you're not even getting mission critical service! You're getting the same old service simply rebranded! I can manage inputting HolmesIV into every profile myself ty very much.. and still remain somewhat anonymous.
Ps3 is a no-cost media extender. It's called linux on a 2nd partition. I have friends already doing this quite happily.
Sony comes with HDMI. This is equivelant to Component. Converters can be had or made yourself for less than 10$ if this is a problem for you TV.
3rd party wireless adapters do not take power: USB is powered serial.
Ps3 controller batteries are user replaceable (if you have a brain! I've been fixing joysticks since I was 5 or 6 years old). So what if its not AAs. Also its lithium battery which lasts longer than any NiMH rechargable (or alkaline as your propose).
You definately busted me on the headset...this is correct. I got one for free for SOCOM which still works with PS3! Never mind I hated it and bought two more USB headsets, Im just that hardcore I guess.
Man I like debating with you, but I must submit that your arguments are weakening with every post.
Can't we just agree, PS3 and Xbox are equal or similar value? I mean I preface my whole post with, "Why do people hate ps3 so much????" Not "Why Does XBOX360 suck so bad?"
I'm sorry, what I'm getting
I'm sorry, what I'm getting from you is that we should just buy an HTPC.
You're referring to hackjobs and workarounds.
If someone wants to stream music are they supposed to go install linux and boot into it every time? That's user-friendly? Sony includes that in-the-box? C'mon you're saying my arguments are getting weak?
BTW the PS3 only comes with a composite cable. It has an HDMI port. HDMI cables are not included. They are about $60 for one of a decent length. 360 Premium comes with a component cable/composite cable (both in one), a headset, and eithernet cable. Include those into your table along with the controller replacements (this table reflects official components only right?). No shit you can open it and replace it with a no-namer. But that's a whole separate argument. That's a voided warranty on the controller. That's a hassle.
The firmware problem with PS3 upscaling is that it only does it one way (not both horizontally and vertically, at the same time, properly). They are hiding something, they are not allowing devs to work with it. If they fix it it will only take effect in future games because it's not the firmware, it needs to be coded in as well. I can find you a link if you want to know more.
I'm learning a lot about you. You're afraid of people knowing what you do. OMG marketers know what I like! Well if you prefer.. they can market maxi pads to you all day long. I'd rather anonymously let people know what I do so that they can build things that I like.
If you want to get into the xbox live vs psn thing. go to this page
In short, the comparison is this:
- unified gamertag = universal reputation, less hassle, easier to cross-join games. cross-chat, paging, giving feedback/rep.
- paid system = they are going to try harder for you, they are going to add more features all the time, they are going to compete. It also gives hackers/cheaters/badmouthers/dicks something to lose, because they're paying, and they can get banned from online play, or have their machine banned all together.
Installing Linux on a PS3 is
Installing Linux on a PS3 is not a hackjob. It boots from a bootloader.
Streaming music a hack job? OMG I thought it was JUST A GAMES SYSTEM. You don't even want to watch movies, why would you even want to stream music!?
Of course your straw man is hilarious because Installing Linux is about choice. The Xbox is about Microsoft's choice for you! I never claimed installing linux and using a bootloader was noob-friendly. Just amazingly simple considering its new as far as a consumer feature is involved.
The battery dying bricks the controller. This was your original point. its far beyond warranty buddy when the battery dies. Also lithiums last much longer than 2 years if you treat them correctly.
Re upscaling, You are correct: firmware is only half the story, it needs to be the API as well. I'm not that worried about this. It will be as moot as Anti Aliasing was last gen.
I don't mind that people know what I do, hell I run a site! but I see the irony in paying THEM for the favor. So why is this getting so personal?
I don't really want to get into the Ps2 vs 360 debate thing, again my position is why do people hate on Sony so much? There's not much going on in Sony Land that Microsoft hasn't equally perfected (if you're talking scams, costs, value added services). I am only interested in the position of some xbox fanboys that PS3 is ridiculously expensive. Your own information proves that they are quite comparable depending on what features you choose.
Sheesh!
Also re-read my last comment regarding 2ksports network on both XBL and PS2
The hackjob I was refering
The hackjob I was refering to was the controller battery replacement and streaming.
And music streaming that I am talking about is whilst playing games. To just sit there and stream music to an idle system seems retarded to me. I like to have a playlist on the go while I'm playing.
Nope, I guess Microsoft doesn't give you a choice.. but.. it's a game console.. what choices should we get? They've given me more than I asked. I want anything but a PC. I want a console. I could've installed linux on my original Xbox (actually.. I did only to test), but it was pointless. I have a PC already.
BTW I've got 2 PS2's, a Sony Stereo, and a dead Sony TV. Don't think that I'm so anti Sony. I'm anti-PS3 and blu-ray. I'm anti Ken K, and all of the PS3's marketing and representation.
NOw at least you've got
NOw at least you've got something we can agree on! I'm anti Kutargi, and god is their marketing terrible.
I think Allard and Kutargi should "cross their streams" in a battle to the death.
I dont consider unscreewing the back, and pulling the battery lead, a "hackjob". Its analogue to replacing two batteries.
Oh its a game console *smacks head*. I guess that means choice is out the window!!!! Locked in 4 life! Bill Gates Stylez.
Linux on your console is pointless unless its also your DVR. But then again, it can be just a game console if thats what you want. Or you can install a 200GB HDD later. Youre choice, and thats pretty evil indeed.
Sadly I will buy all the consoles and run out of shelf space soon. :)
Even if you're a renter,
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